blusterjfk (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

ur proving the point that EVERYONE seems 2 understand, because of the simple COMMON SENSE, except you: Sec's fractions were achieved without being asked AT ALL by the jockey. His final time was, too. If HE had been asked for more, he would've given it! Bid WAS asked for all he had, and he lost, but even if he'd won, his GREATLY enhanced performance wasn't even close 2 Sec's UNenhanced performance. Ur guilty of a common problem: you never let the facts get in the way of a good story.

blusterjfk (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

4 lengths faster at the 3/4 pole? Thru what prism u see that? Sec's was 1:09&4, Bid 1:11&1. Sec's 3/4 fraction was at least 7L faster. Sham's 6f than Bids. Bid's great, I want people who see this comment 2 understand that, but he was NOT as good as Sec. U know that Sec's 3/4 Belmont split is BY FAR the fastest 3/4 fraction in the ENTIRE HISTORY of the race, don't U? No horse has EVER run it faster, but here you are saying the Bid was 7L faster than Sec! Intergalactically stupid.

blusterjfk (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I've studied these fractions that you speak of. I've also run the races in synchronized fashion and YOU ARE SO WRONG IT'S COMICAL. Amazing you'd say such a thing because of the fact that that scientifically verifiable experiment can PROVE, over and over again, that Sec's fractions at .5, 3/4, 1, 1+8th, 1+1/4, and1+3/8th's miles were all MUCH MUCH faster than ANY of Bid's. Also, Bid wasn't even out in front after one quarter OR 1/2, while Sec was! You are high on some controlled substance.

Rodney81818 (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

The only ride that I can think of that was this bad was Chris McCarrons ride on Alysheba in the 1987 Belmont

jimchait (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

when D'tara had to run a contested pace two days ago going only 1 1/8? A perfect example of a performance being GREATLY enhanced by a moderate pace going an extreme distance.

jimchait (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I suggest you research the fractions. Again, if you superimpose the races, Sec would have been behind BOTH the Bid and the hopeless longshot he was chasing. If you understood anything about pace affecting final times, you'd realize that if Sec had to keep up with Bid at such a ridiculous pace, they BOTH would have had no shot at 2:24. When a horse runs faster early, they run slower late. I suppose D'Tara is a better horse than Macho Again because he was uncontested at 1 1/2? What happened..

bbmtge (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Answer...the race would have unfolded in the following manner...with Bid dying and Secretariat running 2:24 with ease. Any other ridiculous questions?

bbmtge (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I suggest, before you make such stupid assumptions, that you research the 3/4 mile times from both races. A 2 second difference. You make no sense. Secretariat overcame entire fields at the Derby and the Preakness. Secretariat ran his own race in the Belmont and CRUISED to 2:24. Do you get it, YET!!!

keenelandlex (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

I agree jimchait. We will likely never see a worse ride in a big race. Franklin flat out choked. He was chasing a hopeless longshot early on. Andy Beyer said it best: "Spectacular Bid was not beaten by a pin, but by a pinhead!"

jimchait (November 30, 1999 at 12:00 am)

Bid's fractions were, on a track MUCH slower than Secretariats, 4 lenghts FASTER at the 6F pole. Superimpose the two races on the same surface and after 6F, Bid would be 7 lenghts in FRONT of Secretariat. How do you think the race would have unfolded from there? Also, this was probaly the worst ride in the history of man. If Secretariat had attempted what Franklin made the Bid do in his belmont, he too would have lost. Bid crushed Coastal in all later meetings.